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#26 User is offline   Gehn, lord of ages 

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Posted 05 March 2010 - 09:02 PM

View PostNarayani Girl, on Mar 5 2010, 06:54 PM, said:

Somebody please explain about the number on the Book of D'Ni? I keep being told it's twenty five. Says who? It doesn't look like twenty five to me! It's an X! You'd have to turn a number a quarter of the way to get that! I've read all of the books but I've only played the games through revelation so unless it's something that comes out in some obscure place in one of the later ones I'm totally lost. They mentioned a strange symbol on the linking book to... (where ever it is, the place they link to,) and I thought it was just that. Not a number.

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It indeed is the the number 25 in the D'ni numeral system. You learn some of the numeral system in Riven (in the schoolroom, the whark game teaches you numbers in a somewhat... interesting way).
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Posted 05 March 2010 - 10:03 PM

View PostNarayani Girl, on Mar 5 2010, 08:54 PM, said:

There is a simple solution to both the time problem and the Somebody please explain about the number on the Book of D'Ni? I keep being told it's twenty five. Says who? It doesn't look like twenty five to me! It's an X! You'd have to turn a number a quarter of the way to get that! I've read all of the books but I've only played the games through revelation so unless it's something that comes out in some obscure place in one of the later ones I'm totally lost. They mentioned a strange symbol on the linking book to... (where ever it is, the place they link to,) and I thought it was just that. Not a number.

(Distressed and confusedly yours)


It's a D'ni twenty-five, I assure you. As to the meaning, my best guess is because the D'ni culture seemed to view the number 25 as sort of a number of completion, just as in a Biblical setting the number 7 represents completion.

Now if you were asking about the finer points of the numbering system, I'm afraid I can't help you there. I can do up to around ten before getting completely confused. :blinky:
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Posted 06 March 2010 - 10:13 AM

View PostLostthyme, on Mar 5 2010, 08:03 PM, said:

View PostNarayani Girl, on Mar 5 2010, 08:54 PM, said:

There is a simple solution to both the time problem and the Somebody please explain about the number on the Book of D'Ni? I keep being told it's twenty five. Says who? It doesn't look like twenty five to me! It's an X! You'd have to turn a number a quarter of the way to get that! I've read all of the books but I've only played the games through revelation so unless it's something that comes out in some obscure place in one of the later ones I'm totally lost. They mentioned a strange symbol on the linking book to... (where ever it is, the place they link to,) and I thought it was just that. Not a number.

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It's a D'ni twenty-five, I assure you. As to the meaning, my best guess is because the D'ni culture seemed to view the number 25 as sort of a number of completion, just as in a Biblical setting the number 7 represents completion.

Now if you were asking about the finer points of the numbering system, I'm afraid I can't help you there. I can do up to around ten before getting completely confused. :blinky:

The D'ni numbering system is in base-25, so 5 and 25 are numbers associated very much with the D'ni.

The basic numbers in D'ni are 1-4. Then 5 is the number 1 turned on its side, and 6-9 are just combinations of the number five and the numbers 1 through 4. 10 is the number 2 turned on its side, and 11-14 are combinations of the number 10 and the numbers 1-4, etc. This takes care of all numbers up to 24, so 25 gets a special number (which is somewhat like two fives put at right angles to each other).

(after 25, you just add more digits to the number, like in Arabic numerals (except we use base 10, not base 25 - so 11 to us is 1 + 10. Putting the D'ni numerals for 1 and 1 next to each other would be 25+1).
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Posted 06 March 2010 - 10:50 AM

And I'm still confused. But trying to teach me was a valiant effort. I've read countless explanations and none of them have helped. :blinky:
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Posted 06 March 2010 - 04:02 PM

View PostLostthyme, on Mar 6 2010, 08:50 AM, said:

And I'm still confused. But trying to teach me was a valiant effort. I've read countless explanations and none of them have helped. :blinky:

Okay,

1,2,3,4 are all their own numerals in D'ni - no pattern that I can tell

5 is the numeral for 1, turned on its side.

6 is 5+1 layered on top of each other. 7 is 5+2, and so on till 9.

10 is the numeral for 2, turned on its side (2 fives).

11 is 10+1 layered on top of each other. 12 is 10+2, and so on till 14.

15 is the numeral for 3, turned on its side (3 fives).

16 is 15+1... blah blah blah.

20 is the numeral for 4, turned on its side (4 fives).

21 is 20+1....

25 is a new numeral, which is somewhat related to the 1 and 5 numerals (straight lines - I imagine this as being sort of like rotating 5 again, and then layering 5 onto this - then rotating it so it doesn't look just like number 6).

26 is (1)25+(1)1, so it is the numerals 1 1
27 is (1)25+(2)1, so it is the numerals 1 2 and so on
51 is (2)25+(1)1 so it is the numerals 2 1
233 is (9)25+(8)1, so it is the numerals 9 8
etc, etc, etc.
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Posted 06 March 2010 - 04:16 PM

Ah... I sorta get it now. I have a feeling if I really took the time to figure it out what you said I might be able to get it. :blinky:
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Posted 06 March 2010 - 04:21 PM

It never made sense to me till I saw it visually. Maybe do a photoshop/paint job with 1-4 on top, then, say, 5 under 1, to show that? Putting the modified numberals under the original, to show the change? That was how my best friend made it make sense to me. I can't explain verbally , it's one of those things that has to be drawn out.
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Posted 06 March 2010 - 05:42 PM

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 06:45 PM

Exactly! Something like that is what it took for me to figure it out.
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Posted 06 March 2010 - 08:36 PM

Oooooh... I'm starting to get it now. Thanks, Gloa. :blinky:
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Posted 19 May 2010 - 07:17 PM

on a slightly unrelated topic:
How did the stranger link using a digital book in the rocket?
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Posted 20 May 2010 - 06:09 AM

View PostAaronAKAAtrus, on May 19 2010, 05:17 PM, said:

on a slightly unrelated topic:
How did the stranger link using a digital book in the rocket?


According to Rawa (here), the Selenitic book wasn't actually virtual, but was powered in some way by machines.
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