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Posted 08 January 2010 - 04:26 PM

I knew b3hn was familiar!
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Posted 09 January 2010 - 01:55 PM

View Postolddude, on Jan 8 2010, 02:26 PM, said:

I knew b3hn was familiar!

So...

A hint that we should look for hotspots or text imput?
One of the commands for b3hn and all will play a part in the "unnoticed thing"?
The "unnoticed thing" is analogous to the b3hn thing in Riven (so once we find it, that's what we do)?
The "unnoticed thing" is like the slideshow or zip mode command things mentioned in that thread?
Ctrl+Tab?
A red herring?
None of the above? :blinky:
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Posted 09 January 2010 - 02:00 PM

One of the above.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 10:14 AM

If this was a game, this is the point where I'd look for a hint or a walkthrough.

I had a slight glimmer of hope at one point, when I was cutting various parts of the file out and trying to open them in both Photoshop and Gimp. My best guess is, the image is a composite or combined group of images with some kind of key to unlock them.

One of the resultant images had some grayscale areas, created by the overlapping color channels.

All of the resultant images from this activity appeared corrupted and unintelligible and the grayscale result may simply be another corruption.

I've also been through the game files for both RIVEN and EXILE but can't find any help there. Some of the RIVEN b3hn developer code features, like the slideshow have never worked on my Macs in OS 8 through X in Classic.

Anybody else feel like asking for a hint? :blinky:
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 04:38 PM

Here's one:
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The size of the picture needs to stay the same even if there are more pixels than required.

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 02:18 AM

View PostrealXCV, on Jan 10 2010, 11:38 PM, said:

Here's one:
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The size of the picture needs to stay the same even if there are more pixels than required.


An icon?


View PostrealXCV, on Jan 9 2010, 09:00 PM, said:

One of the above.


A red herring supposedly ...
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Posted 11 January 2010 - 07:12 AM

View PostrealXCV, on Jan 10 2010, 05:38 PM, said:

Here's one:
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The size of the picture needs to stay the same even if there are more pixels than required.

OK, so this clue has given me two more ways to get that image with the grayscale areas in the upper quarter. I don't think that's what I'm supposed to be getting but it may be one step and there are other things to adjust.

Edit - 9:36 AM Eastern:

I've concluded that the above image I mentioned is a result of corruption caused by BBEdit. I tried the same thing with TextEdit and got no visible change to the image.

I'm still working on this. Is anybody else? I know there are better minds than mine here...
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Posted 11 January 2010 - 02:47 PM

I've abandoned working on the text for now.

If I'm adjusting the image (assuming I should be), should my changes be

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linear?

Should I also be seeing

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A smaller grid, the higher I go (maintaining the same image size, of course)?

Or am I on the wrong track completely?
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Posted 11 January 2010 - 03:18 PM

The size of the pixels must not change.
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Posted 12 January 2010 - 06:49 AM

So, is this too supposed to be converted to text? Or is it supposed to become an "unscrambled" image?
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Posted 12 January 2010 - 07:16 AM

Having spent way too much time with this, I have to move on to other more lucrative things.

I tend to think there are a few easy steps to solve the thing but I still don't have a clue what they are. I only know what doesn't work.

Good luck to whoever is compulsive enough to try to beat it! :blinky:
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Posted 12 January 2010 - 11:59 AM

View Postalbino, on Jan 12 2010, 07:49 AM, said:

So, is this too supposed to be converted to text? Or is it supposed to become an "unscrambled" image?

A bit of yes on each one.
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Posted 14 January 2010 - 04:04 AM

View PostrealXCV, on Jan 11 2010, 11:18 PM, said:

The size of the pixels must not change.

I take it as "dimensions must not change"
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Posted 14 January 2010 - 07:39 AM

You should take it as: "Don't try to make them look bigger" (using a zooming tool doesn't count)

Free big hint (if anyone is still trying to solve it)
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The colors are mostly random, their locations are not

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Posted 14 January 2010 - 04:47 PM

View PostrealXCV, on Jan 14 2010, 05:39 AM, said:

Free big hint (if anyone is still trying to solve it)
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The colors are mostly random, their locations are not

Hmm, perhaps each color should be replaced with another color, eventually forming an image? Anyone want to take a stab at that?
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Posted 14 January 2010 - 07:59 PM

Perhaps that hint should be mixed with the previous hints.
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Posted 14 January 2010 - 09:14 PM

Hm... Has anyone attempted to open the file with audacity or another audio program yet? Perhaps there's a noise that might clue us in... Because opening non-audio files in an audio program results in strange sounds...

I'd do it myself, of course... but I haven't got the proper equipment or programs right now and won't have it until this weekend...

But, Ladies and Gentlemen (and assorted Bahro and Squees), I have found out realXCV's true identity. With his wily code-making ways, he must be none other than The Riddler! :pout:

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Riddle me this, realXCV? :blinky:
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Posted 15 January 2010 - 06:59 AM

So if "the colors are mostly random" but "their locations are not", that still means the colors have some importance... what baffles me is that the image format is jpg, which means it's almost certain that the colors have changed a bit from the original image.

However, the previous clue seems to suggest that while the image should not be resized, it has more pixels than needed. Maybe we need to chop it into several parts, and combine them somehow, to produce a meaningful image. I've tried a few things but can't seem to find anything.
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Posted 15 January 2010 - 08:12 AM

View Postalbino, on Jan 15 2010, 07:59 AM, said:

However, the previous clue seems to suggest that while the image should not be resized, it has more pixels than needed. Maybe we need to chop it into several parts, and combine them somehow, to produce a meaningful image. I've tried a few things but can't seem to find anything.

If you open the image in a text editor, you will see that there are a few sections of separate JPEG image information. You can cut away the extra portions into separate JPEGs and you will find that some are identical to the original image while some others are showing grayscale where the red channel is, in the original image.

Which sections do this? I cant tell you. I deleted the folder I was saving my experiments in, so I wouldn't be tempted to fiddle with it further. :blinky: There is a tag at the top you can delete and use the one immediately below it as the start of the file. IIRC, that makes a change.

Is this important? The fact that there are images within the image, almost certainly is important. Is the grayscale thing? I hope you find out. :pout:

I found no audio information in the file, which seems too small for much audio. The clues would seem to point away from that possibility anyway.
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Posted 15 January 2010 - 08:14 AM

View Postalbino, on Jan 15 2010, 07:59 AM, said:

what baffles me is that the image format is jpg, which means it's almost certain that the colors have changed a bit from the original image.

it also means that it can be solved without having the original colors from the .psd or .png file.

View Postolddude, on Jan 15 2010, 09:12 AM, said:

If you open the image in a text editor, you will see that there are a few sections of separate JPEG image information.

That's Photoshop's fault. Not mine.
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 05:13 PM

So what happened? I guess the hints were not as good as should ;)
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 07:13 PM

The hints are very good.

What else should I give you? A magic wand?
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:17 PM

View PostrealXCV, on Feb 19 2010, 05:13 PM, said:

The hints are very good.

The hints are not very effective in unconfusing our pitiful minds.

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What else should I give you? A magic wand?

That would be nice, actually, even if it was just another small picture that somehow inspired us toward the correct sequence of solving the first one.

Okay, collection of hints time:
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It's not Windows-only.
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While not taking the possibility of the various phrases like - "com.apple.jobticket" and "com.apple.print.ticket.creator" and "A d o b e P h o t o s h o p C S 3" - being clues off the table, they might be actual tags stuck in by the software that processed the picture.

Doesn't mean there's nothing interesting in there.
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(picture is created by Mac Photoshop CS3 BTW)
with the help of a few PC apps.
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b3hn
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A hint that we should look for hotspots or text imput?
One of the commands for b3hn and all will play a part in the "unnoticed thing"?
The "unnoticed thing" is analogous to the b3hn thing in Riven (so once we find it, that's what we do)?
The "unnoticed thing" is like the slideshow or zip mode command things mentioned in that thread?
Ctrl+Tab?
A red herring?
None of the above?

One of the above.
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The size of the picture needs to stay the same even if there are more pixels than required. The size of the pixels must not change.
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So, is this too supposed to be converted to text? Or is it supposed to become an "unscrambled" image?

A bit of yes on each one.
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The colors are mostly random, their locations are not

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I still suspect color swapping (to what colors, I have no idea - not even any idea on how to start or what to change) to make an image (hence why changing the size would ruin it, and why the colors are random but their locations aren't) or perhaps a short bit of text (a good reason for not changing the size, and it would be "an unscrambled image" and "text" at the same time). The text might be used similarly to b3hn stuff, or could be a very short instruction.

The solution will probably be very very simple, but one of the billions of different things we can do we various programs, thus dooming that option (or string of options) to oblivious oblivion in our minds.

Anyone want to take a stab at it?
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 08:57 PM

View PostGehn, lord of ages, on Feb 19 2010, 09:17 PM, said:

View PostrealXCV, on Feb 19 2010, 05:13 PM, said:

What else should I give you? A magic wand?

That would be nice, actually, even if it was just another small picture that somehow inspired us toward the correct sequence of solving the first one.

;)

Allright then... Posted Image


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I still suspect color swapping

Something like that but maybe not the way you think.

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we various programs

we what?
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Posted 19 February 2010 - 09:14 PM

I guess he meant "with"

I thought that the image should be resized in some wrapping way. eg if the pixels were like that

(5X5)

AAAAA
BBBBB
CCCCC
DDDDD
EEEEE

We should resize the image like that

(6X4)

AAAAAB
BBBBCC
CCCDDD
DDEEEE
E

and

(7X3)

AAAAABB
BBBCCCC
CDDDDDE
EEEE

...and see new images forming

problem is, i don't know of a software that could do this

But it's not even close to "something like color swapping but maybe not the way Gehn thinks" so perhaps i am completely lost
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