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Posted 19 February 2010 - 10:22 PM

View PostKoena, on Feb 19 2010, 10:14 PM, said:

I guess he meant "with"

No need to use various programs. Only one is enough.

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I thought that the image should be resized in some wrapping way. eg if the pixels were like that (...)

That would be 25 (5x5) then 24 (6x4) then 21 (7x3)... pixels. Which is against the "size must not change" rule.
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Posted 20 February 2010 - 04:41 AM

Some combinations however would retain the same size!

anyway, since this is as far as my mind would ever go, I'm off ;)
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Posted 20 February 2010 - 03:02 PM

Let just say that it must stay at 64x64.
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 02:41 AM

EXERCISE EXTREME CAUTION.

I right-clicked on it and hit "View image" and got a Trojan warning from Symantec:

http://safeweb.norto...l=elementfx.com
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 02:57 AM

The warning is about a file at admiral.elementfx.com and a file at elinformador.elementfx.com. My website is at realxcv.elementfx.com.
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Posted 12 March 2010 - 10:40 PM

What? No new breakthroughs? I've never done anything like this before, but an unsolved riddle is something I can't endure so...

You said we only need one program. Mind telling us what it is? When it comes to color changing, that's not necessarily something easily done.
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 05:02 AM

I noticed this thread today and I had a quick look at the image, as I noticed the similarity in the RGB color-channels I'm not sure what it means. I can rip this image appart in various ways:

Red-Blue-Green (RGB) not getting much out off that...

Lightness-A-B (Lab) never used that before so no idea what it is

Cyan(huh, yea its a color too :blinky:)-Magenta-Yellow-Back (CMYK) But this mode changes the colors so I dont think it's this one.

And then most difficult as I was not able to extract every individual color, "yet"
Red-Yellow-Green-Cyan-Blue-Magenta

And then you have
White-Grey-Black

I'll post if I find something useful but I'm afraid this is the wrong way.

(Edit)"Somewhat later"

"hmmmm, what would be the magic word?"

-I can confirm, pixel color is random.
-positioning isn't.
-You only need 1 program.
-Size must not change.

I'm close but not there yet...
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 07:59 AM

View PostNarayani Girl, on Mar 12 2010, 11:40 PM, said:

You said we only need one program. Mind telling us what it is?

Photoshop. (Also works with Gimp)
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 09:35 AM

View PostrealXCV, on Mar 13 2010, 02:59 PM, said:

View PostNarayani Girl, on Mar 12 2010, 11:40 PM, said:

You said we only need one program. Mind telling us what it is?

Photoshop. (Also works with Gimp)



Ok, lol >.< then I was totally wrong XD
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 09:49 AM

You were right on one thing.
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 10:14 AM

I'm using Paint.NET, which works like Gimp, so I should be all right there I guess...
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 10:18 AM

View PostrealXCV, on Mar 13 2010, 04:49 PM, said:

You were right on one thing.



Yea, well your probably not going to tell me wich one so that could be anything I wrote, and if only 1 thing is right, I wrote a lot of junk XD

I still haven't found out what's that weird thing with the color channels, I'm not even sure if it can be anything.

(edit)

Ok lol, I need a break from this I tried converting the channel info to morse code but it didnt mean anything then I found out that would be impossible to even write such a code in random color's XD
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 04:23 PM

View PostNarayani Girl, on Mar 13 2010, 11:14 AM, said:

I'm using Paint.NET, which works like Gimp, so I should be all right there I guess...

Yes.


View PostJajeblade, on Mar 13 2010, 11:18 AM, said:

Ok lol, I need a break from this I tried converting the channel info to morse code but it didnt mean anything then I found out that would be impossible to even write such a code in random color's XD

It would also be hard to keep it intact when saving it as a JPEG
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 05:12 AM

Why couldn't you have just used a code like one-time pad or something that I actually know how to solve?
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 08:19 AM

as far as I remember you always got certain hint's in Myst, Riven, Exile and Revelation regarding the puzzle like some combination, a mathematical riddle or some sort but I thing the gap between: The puzzle, The combinations and The Solution is a little big here. There are still millions of ways with only color changing (for example) in photoshop. What do you think of a more direct hin't or if that's to easy write it in d'ni or something so we at least have a start because I'm out off idea's
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 08:26 AM

I was sure I had posted this one...

Click to reveal hidden content
There are too many colors.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 09:20 AM

View PostrealXCV, on Mar 16 2010, 03:26 PM, said:

I was sure I had posted this one...

Click to reveal hidden content
There are too many colors.


haha, never saw that one but I figured that out by myself :blinky: I'll keep trying



Btw does this is done by purpose (the image)? I know what it means but I can't use it really.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 11:31 AM

What's that supposed to be?
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 05:13 PM

View PostrealXCV, on Mar 16 2010, 06:31 PM, said:

What's that supposed to be?


it's a shot off the color channels (histogram, or something) and this most weird one i've ever seen as you can see the distance between and height of the spikes is identical, the low-band noise is probably produced by the jpg compression, i thought it ment something...
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 08:02 PM

The distance between the spikes means nothing.
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 12:08 AM

View PostJajeblade, on Mar 13 2010, 05:12 AM, said:

And then most difficult as I was not able to extract every individual color, "yet"
Red-Yellow-Green-Cyan-Blue-Magenta


I just so happen to be playing through Exile right now:

Click to reveal hidden content
Yellow --> Blue --> Green --> Red --> Yellow --> Purple --> Red


However, the only "graphics" program I have is Paint (and PS Elements, but not sure that would work). Enough to solve?
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 01:22 AM

View PostJajeblade, on Mar 16 2010, 04:20 PM, said:

Btw does this is done by purpose (the image)? I know what it means but I can't use it really.

I commented on this phenomenon earlier, but it seems to be the wrong track:

View PostCocovanna, on Jan 7 2010, 10:22 AM, said:

Hmm ... this seems a little bit harder ... this time it is jpeg, which is not loss-less, meaning another approach is called for.

Preliminary investigation reveals, that there seems to be 6 levels only of each color (before jpeg'ing), adding up to 216 possible values of each pixel ... this could call for a color table version of the picture ...

The values of the first 6 pixels in a 6x6x6 color system are

[4 0 0]
[3 1 1]
[2 1 2]
[2 0 2]
[0 4 0]
[2 4 1]

I can't figure out a sensible color table though ...

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 03:21 AM

View PostMike44njdevils, on Mar 17 2010, 07:08 AM, said:

View PostJajeblade, on Mar 13 2010, 05:12 AM, said:

And then most difficult as I was not able to extract every individual color, "yet"
Red-Yellow-Green-Cyan-Blue-Magenta


I just so happen to be playing through Exile right now:

Click to reveal hidden content
Yellow --> Blue --> Green --> Red --> Yellow --> Purple --> Red


However, the only "graphics" program I have is Paint (and PS Elements, but not sure that would work). Enough to solve?


Element's would, just just need to look a little harder for some tools but it's almost the same, I by the way don't think that color code means anything, at least I can't use it. Maybe someone else?
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 11:00 AM

Random info:

The picture contains 467 different colors. Each color is used between 1 and 59 times.
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 01:52 PM

View PostrealXCV, on Mar 17 2010, 06:00 PM, said:

Random info:

The picture contains 467 different colors. Each color is used between 1 and 59 times.


Now we're getting somewhere I feel a mathematic puzzle coming :blinky:

You used a 24Bit true-color (8bit/channel) image so that are 16,777,216 different colors possibility's so you used 0,0028% of all the color's possible. Each of the color's you used had to occur an average of 8,77 times. Wich means...

That most of the color's apear less then 28 times as the average is 8,77 we can tell that some of the color's (not much) spike a lot because for every pixel (for example) that occurs 59 times you would need 7 color's to only occur once to get back on the average colors of 8,77.

And that as well are just some random statistics.
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